The debate is LONG. And it segued from black women and their natural hair to a debate about African Holistic Medicine vs Western Medicine.
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Rodgerick McGee
Rodgerick McGee at 2:19pm July 2
really? what made them change their mind?
Eddie Bastidas
Eddie Bastidas at 2:47pm July 2
No thanks. I want the opportunity to genetically engineer some of these females. We need to identify the crazy gene and take it out.
Rodgerick McGee
Rodgerick McGee at 2:52pm July 2
haha, the crazy gene, it sure is chemical and has become genetic it seems, but it's something more psychological and socially engineered more than anything, if BLACK mothers taught their BLACK daughters how to properly take take care of their BLACK hair without using artificial means then we would see a generation of BLACK women with natural hair.
Eddie Bastidas
Eddie Bastidas at 2:54pm July 2
I would engineer a white chick with black hair.
Rodgerick McGee
Rodgerick McGee at 2:57pm July 2
we would see a generation a RE-Generation of BLACK women who know themselves and are not ashamed of themselves. This psychosis is engineered by the tactics of White Supremacy in Western society
Rodgerick McGee
Rodgerick McGee at 2:59pm July 2
you think that shit hasn't already been done? they have a chemical out there that they have engineered that will turn a white person black for a period of time. Their hair will kink up, and melanin will start developing... it's bizarre, they got game
Eddie Bastidas
Eddie Bastidas at 3:11pm July 2
That's a pretty complicated procedure I seriously doubt anyone could pull off. As for changing the pigment of skin, hair, and eyes, that's been done for almost 100 years. No real shocker there.
Rodgerick McGee
Rodgerick McGee at 4:08pm July 2
of course it couldn't change the bone structure only integumentary features. And how do you think they got the genes to do such an operation?. They've been experimenting on Africans since colonial times.
Eddie Bastidas
Eddie Bastidas at 4:47pm July 2
Dude, you're talking about topical skin treatments, not genetic engineering. I'm pretty sure Christopher Columbus wasn't a geneticist.
Rodgerick McGee
Rodgerick McGee at 4:48pm July 2
no im talking about an injection into the bloodstream that has an effect on the integumentary features (hair, skin, etc.)
Eddie Bastidas
Eddie Bastidas at 4:55pm July 2
I'm pretty sure no one is supposed to inject anything into the bloodstream unless it's absolutely necessary. I am not aware of any skin treatment that requires an IV, but if you are, enlighten me.
Rodgerick McGee
Rodgerick McGee at 5:33pm July 2
oh yea i wasn't aware of it either. But they use the stem cells of Africans to regenerate tissue and took it to the extreme and are actually able to turn someone temporarily from white to black, like michael jackson went from black to white. it only lasts about 6 months or so. if you want an in depth look about experimentation on Africans then you should purchase a book called Medical Apartheid.
Eddie Bastidas
Eddie Bastidas at 5:52pm July 2
Michael Jackson had Vitiligo, and I'm not sure what stem cells have to do with skin color. Changing skin color is just a byproduct of metabolism. I can turn blue if I hold my breathe. Gross anatomy calls for the inspection of skin color to help diagnose patients. I'm checking out the book right now.
Rodgerick McGee
Rodgerick McGee at 6:03pm July 2
Thing is that if any cell in the body is deprived of oxygen then there will be discoloration. Skin color is a byproduct of metabolism as well as nutrition. Vitiligo is caused because of liver and pancreas illness. And skin color is also determined based on the concentration of carbon in the melanocytes. you see Sudanese people and Somalians so dark... Read More that they give off a blue-ish hue, that's due to their nutrition of high cholorophyl which is found in plants. theese Western medical scientists have studied the African for centuries and were able to isolate the carbon (CHO) chemical and utilize it in a way that would turn white rats jet black when injected or a person with no skin pigment or kinky hair Black. You need to also listen to Dr. Jewel Pookrum, Dr Sebi and Dr Llaila O. Afrika
Eddie Bastidas
Eddie Bastidas at 6:16pm July 2
If any cell in the body does not recieve oxygen, it dies. The reason you turn blue is because there is no oxygen bound to ferric hemoglobin in the red blood cells, so they fail to turn red because they are not oxidized. It really has nothing to do with individual cells.
Metabolism is an umbrella term that incorporates nutrition. The liver and pancreas are both active in the digestion of food (catabolism). Different disorders can result in different skin colors. They can also result in the discoloration of urine and fecal waste.
"-CHO" is a acyl functional group called an aldehyde. Acyl groups are some of the most important molecules in metabolism. A free-roaming oxygen species like you are suggesting is extremely dangerous and can cause damage to many cells. ... Read More
I'm not sure where you are going with the chlorophyl thing, but you should note that there is nothing unique about anything you mentioned. All humans share the vast majority of genetic information.
Sincere Allah
Sincere Allah at 6:31pm July 2
all i have 2 say is the story of Yacub is real!
Rodgerick McGee
Rodgerick McGee at 6:34pm July 2
Metabolism (catabolism and anabolism) is what keeps us going, functioning. Like you say when a cell doesn't get oxygen it dies, true. My statement was that when a cell doesn't get ENOUGH oxygen it discolors, and hemoglobin, which makes blood blue, reacts to oxygen when it is outside the body and turns it red.
Western medical scientists have been ... Read Moreable to isolate Carbon in the CHO chain, and we all know that Carbon isn't found alone in nature and always found with Oxygen and Hydrogen and anything that is isolated and concentrated in the laboratory becomes by definition a drug, and utilize its electric properties and found out what made Black, Black.
Rodgerick McGee
Rodgerick McGee at 6:36pm July 2
You know that the bottom surface of space shuttles now use an all black covering? Why is that? Because they know the heat resistance that carbon has in conjuntion with melanin. So they used pure melanin (carbon) to coat the bottom of the shuttles.
Also not every person has the same genetic background accessible. The Aboriginese are the only race of people who have their entire genetic blueprints accessible and the African has the greatest genetic potential.
Eddie Bastidas
Eddie Bastidas at 6:52pm July 2
Carbon is never found isolated in nature because of it's valence electrons. This is the same for every other element on the periodic table. The aldehyde group you are talking about is a naturally occurring in many forms, including molecules with nitrogen and even metals. "Carbon" is not a drug, and it does not make anything turn black.
Hemoglobin makes blood red, which is why arteries carrying oxygenated blood from the lungs to the body are red, and veins carrying deoxygenated blood from the body back to the lungs are blue.
Melanin is not "carbon." Melanin is not used to coat the hull of the space shuttle. All humans share the same genetic blueprint with minor variations in several genes. The difference is negligible. ... Read More
I feel bad cramming Ra's comment boxes up, but, hey, it happens. Sorry Ra.
Rodgerick McGee
Rodgerick McGee at 7:00pm July 2
Okay you know your shit my man but you are very mistaken about Carbon and Melanin.
Prove that Carbon and Melanin do not work in conjunction to make Black Blak. The high concentration of Carbon is what makes Africans so dark, we know that because geographically where they live they have to be dark and realize that the Sun plays a vital role.
They do use melanin, pure melanin, which is black, because melanin has a great heat capcity up to 1500 degrees I believe.... Read More
It seems that the Western Medical Science has confused you and your indoctrination of their science has you believing half truths and lies. Though you are correct about the arteries and veins, but when blood hits the surface and reacts with oxygen it turns red.
Rodgerick McGee
Rodgerick McGee at 7:02pm July 2
We know globin is a pigment. Bilirubin is a pigment that makes feces brown, so on and so forth. You are right on some things but I've that all before I've taken courses in biology and Anatomy and Physiology. So I know some shit too lol
Rodgerick McGee
Rodgerick McGee at 7:07pm July 2
You know the saying that we are Carbon-based beings, well that's only half true. Not true, Whites are "Carbon-based" and Africans are Carbon beings. They are Carbon copies, not like the orginal.
Rodgerick McGee
Rodgerick McGee at 7:15pm July 2
Oh and about the point that Carbon isn't found in nature due to its valene elctrons, that was insightful but not important, see I was making the point that since NO element can be found sigularly in nature and is always with other elements that when we think we are taking Vitamin C, we are just taking Ascorbic Acid. Vitamin C is found with other ... Read MoreVitamins in nature. So these scientists isolate these elements and concentrate them, which is a drug by definition. This supported my claim about Carbon being used sigularly to create jet black rats or make an all black bottom surface for space shuttles.
Eddie Bastidas
Eddie Bastidas at 7:22pm July 2
Your blood makes contact with oxygen through gas exchange in the lungs. It's called breathing. You inhale oxygen, you exhale carbon-dioxide. I'm not sure what else needs to be said.
Bilirubin is old, degraded hemoglobin. Muscle tissue uses myoglobin, which is why we call it "red meat."
The way a molecule bends light is what we perceive as "color." Not to mention, nothing black is black, since any object that reflects black light is not black. ... Read More
"Melanin" is a general term given to a family of chemicals that are used by animals, plants, and microorganisms as a pigment. The brown-black melanin you are talking about contains a carboxylic acid (COOH), not an aldehyde (CHO). This type of melanin can bend light in certain ways depending on how long of a chain it forms (which depends on genes and sun exposure). There are many different types of melanin that can create different colors.
Eddie Bastidas
Eddie Bastidas at 7:43pm July 2
A drug, by definition, has nothing to do with concentration, or any other type of equilibrial result of it's derivation (and this includes where, as in a lab or in your large intestine). This does not support your claim that melanin is painted onto the space shuttle, and even if your definition is correct, I don't know how it would support that claim. I find it kind of alarming that someone would believe something like that in 2009.
Here is a picture of a carbon atom:
http://blogontheuniverse.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/carbon_atom.gif
... Read More
Here is a picture of several melanins, drawn out in their chemical structures:
http://www.physics.uq.edu.au/cmp/Images/melanin_monomers.gif
A vitamin is not an element. I don't see the point in the last comment.
I'm not sure you know the fundamental concepts behind some of the topics you are bringing up, let alone describe what is and what is not a carbon based being.
Rodgerick McGee
Rodgerick McGee at 7:53pm July 2
Okay no need to be condescending. I overstand that when the gas exchange takes place then blood come into contact with oxygen. What I am speaking of is when blood comes into contact with oxygen unnaturally I.e. a cut, or open wound. We all know blood isn't purely "blood" its parts water and parts plasma, and even plasma is comprised of particles and other chemicals.
Rodgerick McGee
Rodgerick McGee at 7:55pm July 2
Black is the embodiment of every color on the electromagnetic spectrum. The black that I was speaking of, PURE BLACK, no brown, is CHO, the COOH is a deriviation of the CHO molecule chain. Melanin is a general term used to describe a family of chemicals that animals, plants and huemans use to synthesize their energy from the Sun. Just like chorophyll which is a form of melanin or "plant melanin" is what plants use to get their energy from the Sun.
Rodgerick McGee
Rodgerick McGee at 7:56pm July 2
I know this and overstand this. The point I am making, ONCE AGAIN, is that Carbon is found in coal, pure oil, and the like. Of course you know this already, but this is the point, African people's melanin, or Carbon, is what they use, what they need to stay protected from the sun. Not all races of people can utilize Carbon in the way the African ... Read Morecan. Why is that? Because their melanin, or COOH, and the other molecular chains isn't suited to handle it. You already explained this partially so you know this I'm sure. If white light comes into contact with black light, then the white light is lost.
Rodgerick McGee
Rodgerick McGee at 7:57pm July 2
The Black light, or dark matter, is the first light and our eyes have been adapted to see only certain colors on the EMS, and hear certain wavelengths of sound. See melanin, using the general term, is in found in the ears of the African, the walls and mucosa layers of the vagina, the pineal (which carries a depth far beyond normal comprehension) in... Read More their internal organs, eyes, so on and so forth, it is because of that, as you have stated earlier, that they are able to receive emissions of light on the spectrum that other races cannot, hear wavelengths of sound that other races cannot, and are more receptive to music therapy where certain notes create vibrations that a particular organ or organs identify and vibrate with in order to heal. African Holistic Sciences is older and precedes Western medicine and they stole it and molded it with their superstitions and beliefs to make it suit them, just like they did with African spirituality, but that's another topic entirely.
Rodgerick McGee
Rodgerick McGee at 8:10pm July 2
See we cannot argue these because you are on the mundane and I am on the metaphysical. Though you have good points and even pictures *clasp* it still falls short of actually disproving my claims. I know a Vitamin is not an element I never said it was, I was giving an example. A drug by definition IS the isolation and concentration of a particular ... Read Moreelement. This may not fit your connotative definition but if you know anything about lab work then you should know that. Marijuana was hybridized and chemically re-engineered with the THC molecule chain which makes it so addictive, the chemicals in melanin bond to it, being that it is a free radical, and is harder to break. Covalent bond come to mind? All you are really doing is supporting lies and half truths, the draw a picture and tell us this is what H2O looks like and we believe it.
Eddie Bastidas
Eddie Bastidas at 8:34pm July 2
Carbon is also found in diamonds and milk. A diamond is actually just crystallized carbon. I don't see your point.
Humans do not derive any energy through melanin. If anything, melanin in the skin prevents the energy transfer of sunlight to the body by sheltering vitamin D precursors from UV ray exposure.
Plants get energy through photosynthesis, first starting with chlorophyl, you are right. I'm not sure why you choose to call it melanin, though. There is no physiological similarity to name two different proteins the same.... Read More
If I wanted to be condescending, I would have responded to your comment about being lied to by western medicine and the classes you took.
I was just responding with basic concepts of general sciences. These concepts are derived from observation, applied to the scientific method, reinforced by experimental data, and subjected to criticism. I do not believe you can say the same for the major points in your argument.
Eddie Bastidas
Eddie Bastidas at 8:38pm July 2
"Race" is a social construct and an abstract figment of the human mind. The term has no meaning in any biological sense because it is not found in nature.
"The black that I was speaking of, PURE BLACK, no brown, is CHO, the COOH is a deriviation of the CHO molecule chain."
That's backwards. For a polymer to be made, the COOH must be reduced to a CHO group. I am not sure if you understand what you are talking about.
Rodgerick McGee
Rodgerick McGee at 8:47pm July 2
Actually the condescension came when you made the point about breathing.
And huemans, man of color, do derive their energy from the sun. That same lie about melanin preventing energy transfer of light is the same thing my AnP 2 prof told me and she could not prove that African's having high pigmentation or high Caron concentration allowed for ... Read Morethat energy to be synthesized in their skin. I also recommended that she go out in the sun with me to see who got sun burned first, she was white, and refused and laughed it off. She has been a prof in her field of Biology and Chemistry for well over 30 + years and couldn't give me an answer, but you sit here and defend it, even when the perpetrators try to cover up and defend their bed of lies. Africans have an abundance of vitamin D. And true Diamonds have carbon as well, I never said they did not, thing is most things on this planet have carbon. And look at this, where did the diamond come from? Hmm? You think diamonds just come about in the
Rodgerick McGee
Rodgerick McGee at 8:50pm July 2
state that you see them in? what is the precursor of a diamond? right, black coal. Now going back to the point about humans not deriving any energy from the sun, well man of color, does, but it isn't his PRIMARY means of energy regeneration. Black skin, even dark brown and the shades, hold in light longer than the lighter variations. This is true, right? Right. That's why a jet black African can go without sunlight exposure and still have an abundance of vitamin d store within his/her body.
Rodgerick McGee
Rodgerick McGee at 8:55pm July 2
Western science is nothing but generalization. If there was no generalization there would be no science. They still don't have a cure for the so called Flu. No cure for Diabetes, no cure for Cancer, no cure for Aids, no cure for Sickle Cell Anemia, and the list goes on. So you are going to sit there and defend it when the medicine of the African, ... Read Morewhom I share a bloodline with and enzymes to digest the food they eat in my stomach, has the cure for every dis-ease known to man? African Holistic medicine has cured the so called Flu, Diabetes, AIDS (which is nothing but a GENERALIZATION and COMBINATION of other dis-eases erroneously blamed on a virus and labeled AIDS), Cancer and so on and so forth. Oh yes, it has been done. But no, the Western Science has it that there are no cures, only treatments and why is that? Because the pharmaceutical companies want money. How profitable is it to just give someone the cure when you can have them keep coming back for more and more putting more money
Rodgerick McGee
Rodgerick McGee at 9:02pm July 2
your pocket with each prescription? Hmm, VERY. The high metal content in the pills is what's keeping us sick even when we think we are well. Western Medicine dismisses the fact that it is nutrition that keeps us alive and NOT medicine. It is what we put into our bodies that determines our well being, but since black people do not know this they ... Read Morerely upon the Western Medical system to save them from themselves, not realizing that we have a system that our ancestors created to keep us well. We eat everyone else's food but our own. We don't even know what the hell we're supposed to be eating, but junk. Soul food clogging the arteries and killing us, giving us hypertension, diabetes mellitus, heart attacks and the like. People rely too heavily on the convenience of medicine and always need a quick fix. African Holistic Medicine is OUR medicine and OUR heritage and we need to EMBRACE it and stop being so ignore-ant and discover who we are
Eddie Bastidas
Eddie Bastidas at 9:03pm July 2
"Western science is nothing but generalization. If there was no generalization there would be no science. They still don't have a cure for the so called Flu. No cure for Diabetes, no cure for Cancer, no cure for Aids, no cure for Sickle Cell Anemia, and the list goes on. So you are going to sit there and defend it when the medicine of the African, ... Read Morewhom I share a bloodline "
who doesn't have a bloodline that extends back into Africa?
there are over 200 viruses associated with the flu. And the flu mutates every year, which is why we have new vaccines.
Eddie Bastidas
Eddie Bastidas at 9:04pm July 2
"Now going back to the point about humans not deriving any energy from the sun, well man of color, does, but it isn't his PRIMARY means of energy regeneration. "
please describe the chemical pathway that derives energy from the sun.
Rodgerick McGee
Rodgerick McGee at 9:04pm July 2
i mean directly to them, every other race is so far removed that they would not reap the benefits as potently as me or anyone closely related.
Eddie Bastidas
Eddie Bastidas at 9:06pm July 2
explain the genetic mechanisms that would prevent one human from not reaping the benefits that you do?
by benefit, I assume you mean getting energy from the sun, which I have already asked you to explain.
Rodgerick McGee
Rodgerick McGee at 9:07pm July 2
Excuse me? The chemical pathway?
White light is absorbed into black skin. I do not follow
Eddie Bastidas
Eddie Bastidas at 9:11pm July 2
Skin does not absorb light, which is the whole reason why melanin is there.
Continue.
Rodgerick McGee
Rodgerick McGee at 9:16pm July 2
This is my explanation.
As I have stated, which you chose not to acknowledge, people of other races, which technically there are only 4, do not reap the benefits (by benefits i mean energy) from the sun as EFFICIENTLY as me or people who more closely SHARE the bloodline with the African. Europeans are far removed by about 10,000 years and African ... Read MoreAmericans are by about 400 years, so by me saying this, that when the mutation occurred where the African who migrated to Europe became white, he genetically, because of the climate in Europe, became accustomed to his surroundings and the foods of his environment. The European experienced the Ice Age and lived on an "Ice Age" diet where everything needed to be cold in order to be eaten.
And for me to give you a genetic mechanism is exactly what people of the Western thought pattern want, actual proof that they can comprehend, since you don't understand it, it's false.
Eddie Bastidas
Eddie Bastidas at 9:19pm July 2
I acknowledged your statement, I simply asked for an explanation.
How can you judge what I am able or unable to comprehend if you have not given an explanation? Articulating the details behind your argument should not be that difficult.
Rodgerick McGee
Rodgerick McGee at 9:20pm July 2
Okay i guess you haven't been paying attention this whole time, I have been saying that because of melanin and the high concentration presence of Carbon, the process of synthesis occurs differently in the African than it would the European.
It is the reason why someone with the complexion of Olajuwon could stay in the sun longer than Larry Byrd... Read More.
If there was melanin and Carbon present in a higher concentration, do you not think that Byrd could stand the sun just as long as Olajuwon who is as Black as they come?
Eddie Bastidas
Eddie Bastidas at 9:21pm July 2
"Okay i guess you haven't been paying attention this whole time, I have been saying that because of melanin and the high concentration presence of Carbon, the process of synthesis occurs differently in the African than it would the European. "
Explain.
I understand the science behind a sunburn, but not this statement.
Rodgerick McGee
Rodgerick McGee at 9:28pm July 2
there you go again taking apart my argument instead of looking at the whole.
Alright.
The sun hits the skin, and the melanocytes are rapidly trying to compensate for the lack of UV protection by attempting to make more pigment to protect the skin, so what happens as a result? A sunburn.... Read More
As for someone with darker skin. The high concentration of Carbon allows them to be walking SPF 50's which protects from any sun damage. The African cannot sunburn, because they are constantly in the sun, their skin needs to be as dark as it is on a majority. Their particular type of melanin allows for them to sustain the excessive heat and retain the energy that sun, the white light, shines onto their Black skin.
Like I have also state, white light is absorbed into black skin.
White light is reflected, or not entirely absorbed into white skin, or the lighter complexioned skin, because of that lack of high Carbon concentration.
Eddie Bastidas
Eddie Bastidas at 9:31pm July 2
You make several claims in every statement, you should be prepared to defend all of them, no matter where they are within the statement.
Your still not explaining anything. You're telling me about a sunburn. I have been asking you to explain the carbon part. What is it that the carbon is doing?
Rodgerick McGee
Rodgerick McGee at 9:39pm July 2
Oh okay.
The Carbon is producing electricity in the body. It is absorbing the energy from the sun. Earlier we were discussing melanin. Well the pigment is the Carbon concentration. The melanocytes is what is producing the Carbon in the bodies of Africans.
Rodgerick McGee
Rodgerick McGee at 9:46pm July 2
Melanin is not a mineral. It is a word used to describe a certain biological function. It is not the melanin that makes us Black, most think that the sun activates neurons in melanin and it is what makes us Black, this is not so. If you biochemically took apart the body of the African which would be classified as Bio-Chemistry. Melanin has no place... Read More. It cannot be found. Carbon determines the quality of life in all substances. If there is no Carbon, there is no life. Western medicine speaks of protein. What is protein? 1 of the 19 amino acids, the building blocks of life. I know for a fact that this is not a true statement because if protein was the building block of life, then what happened to the gorilla?
Eddie Bastidas
Eddie Bastidas at 9:51pm July 2
Hey I'm off to go get drunk, and I wouldn't mind finishing this conversation, but I'd rather punch myself in the nuts.
Do you honestly believe what you just said?
"Melanin is not a mineral. It is a word used to describe a certain biological function. It is not the melanin that makes us Black, most think that the sun activates neurons in melanin ... Read Moreand it is what makes us Black, this is not so. If you biochemically took apart the body of the African which would be classified as Bio-Chemistry. Melanin has no place. It cannot be found. Carbon determines the quality of life in all substances. If there is no Carbon, there is no life. Western medicine speaks of protein. What is protein? 1 of the 19 amino acids, the building blocks of life. I know for a fact that this is not a true statement because if protein was the building block of life, then what happened to the gorilla?"
Rodgerick McGee
Rodgerick McGee at 9:52pm July 2
That lived 180 years without eating anything that's contained protein? Unless you're going to say that the plants contained protein too. And Western science is always saying a bunch of things and we have no laboratories (Black people) to investigate those things. Then we have to swallow it hook line and sinker.
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